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Only a dental superstar could do episode 100 justice! For this very special episode I have deviated from the usual flow – it’s kind of like a Vlog. We’re going to go through some major takeaways from the BACD conference in Edinburgh, when Pascal Magne came on stage and completely blew the audience away. We have Dr Ricky Bhopal some Protruserati cameo appearances!
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“I think one of the things that really stuck out to me today from the course was that it’s not necessarily what some one person does, it’s what works in your hands.” Dr Ricky Bhopal
In this episode, we discussed:
- The ‘Enamel CADCAM’ case Pascal Magne shared 13:27
- Importance of the Ferrule effect 14:30
- The fourth generation bonding system 15:47
- Silane coupling agent 17:32
- Ricky’s takeaway tip from the Pascal Magne 20:17
- Managing PTFE for Interproximals 22:07
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Opening Snippet: Oh my goodness. Welcome to Episode 100, Protruserati. I'm Jaz Gulati, your host and it's so great to have you here. This is a special episode. To celebrate 100, We're doing like a documentary, mockumentary, vlog kind of episode, but I still hopes and give you so much value...Jaz’ Introduction: We’re gonna talk some key lessons that I learned and we learned even I mentioned about Ricky’s involvement in this from the BACD conference in Edinburgh, where Pascal Magne came and just absolutely blew the stage away. So some key lessons from that. But also speaking to other dentists, some of my colleagues, some of the Protruserati that have appeared on the podcast before and hope to make it like a fun and entertaining listen for you. Now before we dive right in, the Protrusive Dental Pearl for you is that you may or may not know this, now, maybe you do. But if ever you’ve listened to any of the previous episodes and thought, You know what I wish, like maybe you take notes, but some I know some of the Protruserati they show me on Instagram, they take notes of the episodes because they find it very valuable, very educational, which is awesome. I love that. I think it’s great to be an active learner. So if you’re taking notes, but sometimes you wish you could just like copy and paste segments of some of the things that the guests say or I say and like a little communication gems, then every episode is actually transcribed fully. They like about 99% accurate, my colleague Krissel, who’s like my scientific adviser, she does all the transcriptions, so you can check them out on the Protrusive website. Under the episode blog if you like, scroll down, and every episode is fully transcribed. So that’s your big pearl that if you ever wanted, like a database of everything that we’ve said on the podcast, it’s all fully transcribed and ready for you. And by the way, also to celebrate episode 100. There’s a little competition or giveaway on Instagram. So if you want to win one of the hoodies that, if you’re watching on YouTube and you can see that I’m wearing, the new hoodies are even better than this. They’re blue and gold. And it’s pretty cool. If you’re in a chance to win a hoodie, no matter where you are in the world, then log onto Instagram, share the promotional video that I’m putting on. You’ll see like the giveaway video, share it to your story. And tell me which was your favorite episode could be like any episode from the archive, which was your favorite episode to be in a chance to win one the hoodies and I will reveal who wins live on the 21st of December. So if you are a massive fan of the podcast, I really appreciate you and if you want to hoodie, I’d love for you to tell me which was your favorite episode by sharing that video to your story. So do check that one out.
Main Episode: Okay, so back to the main episode now. So the date is 11th November 2021. And I was on the late shift. So you know I do like a late shift or early shift. So I was doing a late shift in Reading, came to our parents house in London, and all of the last month. Me and Ricky, Ricky Bhopal, who was a prosthodontist. He came on the podcast and we talked about Productivity with the Prosthodontist. So you may remember him from the episode. We’re like total geeks, right? So we were so pumped, we’re like fangirling over Pascal Magne. Like, I’m kind of embarrassed to share this with you. But we made a little rap, or I may I started the rap and Ricky said he was gonna finish it off. I’ll tell you how that went. So we’re, like, so excited and pumped and so quite cringe worthy, but I’m gonna play it for you, just so you get the vibe of what we were thinking. So I’m gonna play that now. What you’re gonna say Pascal Magne, comes to the land, the USA, A, B, C, D, E, F G, he’s going to teach you DME. Okay, so that was totally cringe worthy. I apologize that your ears had to listen to that. But I wanted to show you the vibe. I mean, Ricky is super geeky. And the plan was that on the flight, we’d be working on it together just for jokes. And you know, he’s a brother from another mother. It’s great to have him as geeky and as goofy as I am. But here’s the big problem. So the night before so 11th of November, we’re about to sleep, like, almost midnight, and with the plan was that Ricky was giving me a 4am wake up call. He said Jaz, don’t worry. I’ll call you at 4am. I’ll be at yours at 4:30am We’ll go to Heathrow or fly to Edinburgh. That was the plan. So I’m like, Cool. So 4am comes my alarm goes off. Okay. No call from Ricky 4:02, maybe I call Ricky. It’s ringing. Okay, but he’s not answering. Okay, so now I’m like, wait, what’s going on? He should be on the road. He should be driving, right? Then a few minutes later, I call again and I call again and now it’s going straight to voicemail. So I was absolutely shit scared. Because Ricky is a super organized person, if you listen to the Productivity with a Prosthodontist he’s like the 5am wakeup club. He is like super keen. And he was so excited for this it’s like on par with I’m sure it will be his wedding day right so this is huge. So for him to not pick up was a very scary experience for me. So as I was thinking did he oversleep something but it’s just not like him doesn’t make sense. But then when it start to go straight to voicemail, so it’s calling straight to voicemail and now it was coming up to like 5am And I was thinking okay, I gotta leave for the airport now what do I do? But I was actually genuinely scared right out from the bottom my heart I was scared that he maybe he was in a car accident or the only plausible explanation that Ricky is not here right now with me to go to Pascal Magne is that he’s dead, right? Because he just can’t missed Pascal Magne, can’t miss it. So I was like calling his brother. He wouldn’t answer, obviously, 5am. I was trying to get his dad’s number. I was trying to get his fiance’s number. Like I was literally, I was messaging all his like best friends and stuff. I was really worried sick. So I was ready. I was panicking. I don’t know what to do. So I decided, okay, let me just get to the airport. And then if he, if I don’t hear from Ricky, I’m not gonna fly to Edinburgh, because my friend might have died. And I don’t want to go to Edinburgh if my friend has died. And I mean, being serious, I’m not saying for dramatic effect, I was not to speak to Ricky, holy shit scared. On the taxi on the way to Edinburgh on the way to the airport, and on the way that I get the call from Ricky. So pick up Ricky’s call, I’m like, ‘Dude, where the hell are you?’ And he’s like, ‘Oh, my God, I overslept.’ I’m like, ‘Oh, my God, thank God, you’re alive. I’m just happy you’re alive.’ Okay, so he absolutely bombed it down to Heathrow, he missed the flight unfortunately, I was just grateful that he was alive, I took the early flight, he paid a significant sum to come later. So we never actually got to sit on the flight together and continue the rap. So you can be very pleased to know that that’s the end of that rap. And we didn’t develop it further, because Ricky came late. So that was a very scary start to date. So I reached the convention center. And I know that Ricky’s gonna be on the next flight business class, you know how Ricky rolls, and I know that he will probably miss the first two hours of the lecture. So I’ll be making notes for him.
And it was a great vibe, great vibe of the place, the students that give you that sort of delicate badge and the goodie bag and stuff. And it’s great to see students maximizing these opportunities. So if you’re a student, and you had the opportunity to go to a conference to help out, and you get to absorb the knowledge for free, wow, you should totally grab those opportunities by the horns. So I think those students that were there, you did a great job and well done for putting yourself in an uncomfortable situation and going out of your comfort zone and being there. I think it’s absolutely great. So it was great to see some of the students there. Hello, to the future of our profession. So the morning of lecture starting a very inspirational way. It was a Neil Cunningham talking about his expedition to the South Pole and the North Pole to raise money for brain tumor research, which was really inspirational. And then of course, the man himself introduced by Tif Qureshi, Pascal Magne, I mean, what a presence this guy has, the way he comes on, the way he spoke the whole day, the energy was just unreal, like top level speaker, you know, I always admired the speakers that can hold an audience, a large audience for an entire day, these keynote speakers is absolute sensational.
[Tif]Okay, thanks very much for asking me to do this. In short, it is fundamentally to introduce some of very special guest speakers all day. And I’ll just say, I’m not going to give a resume from Pascal, you can look that up yourself. It’s long and very glamorous as it should be. But I’d say that, you know, in my long career, there’s been moments where you watch speakers, you meet people, where there are key moments, I think, turn your direction. And usually, I think it’s inspiration that kind of helps you kind of make that turn over one of those years, I’ve probably so many of you have seen hundreds of amazing speakers, and you come to sometimes we’ll watch them and you listen to well, pretty good. But you go back to your practice. And you know, you’ve seen your patients a lot that stuff used to get quite quickly, except for a few people. And Pascal is one of those people who literally every day is my career, something he’s tried, I’ve learned from him some inspiration he’s given me, I apply that to my patients. And I think that’s why my career has gone the way it has because of listening to people like him over that time. So it does take a certain type of person, it takes a person who is highly skilled clearly, but also has the right ethos, has the right passion. And it’s just a good patently, a good person I think that comes through in everything that he does. So I’m going to, enough of me, I’m going to now say please Pascal come to stage and please entertain us all. If you haven’t heard Pascal before, I really do hope that you remember today and I think it will kind of go down with your dental history. So let’s give a round of applause. [Jaz]
Obviously, I was not allowed to record any parts of lecture I just record like three or four second snippets just for this podcast, just show you the energy and the style of presentation. Sort of colors and everything was just great atmosphere. So well done Pascal, you absolutely blew the audience away. So many gem shared so from the lessons that you’ve shared. We’ve convened Ricky just geek out and talk about it over 25 minutes, which is coming in the next segment of this podcast, just keep listening. And me and Ricky just have like a debrief. I share with him what he missed in the first two hours of the lecture. And then we continue about some of the key lessons that Pascal shared on biomimetic dentistry at the conference and it was great because in the breakout room, there was a great food, great Pantsers, great to see everyone and catch up with Protruserati was so good to see some of you guys there as lovely to actually see in person. Pascal was doing the book signing you know, he’s like a some kind of superstar who’s doing a book signing. I approached him. I asked him to come on the podcast. So this is my letter to Dr. Magne, inviting him to the podcast. There we are Pascal is gonna come on the podcast, he just said it. The second most famous Dentist ever After GV Black man. Mehy, today you listen to podcast. Rupert’s been a guest before on the Suction Complete Dentures. So I just wanted to check the vibe. Are you been here for the whole few days or just today? [Mehy]
No. [Jaz]
Okay, just today. [Mehy]
Yeah, I missed the last night party. That’s why everyone is hungover today you know, I heard [Jaz]
You look fresh. [Mehy]
I looked fresh? It’s good. [Jaz]
Mehy’s on my naughty list for SplintCourse for signing on and not doing anything. So he needs to move. Rupert. How’s it going, man? [Rupert]
Really good. Here yesterday, so I was at the party. So I’m one of those people who’s struggling today. That’s why I don’t sound quite as fresh as always, been a really good, Magne is on fire. So you’re gonna see some more of that I’m sure now. [Jaz]
Tell us what the program you’re doing for BACD next time? [Rupert]
So I don’t know if it’s been announced yet. [Jaz]
Okay, imagine you were doing a program for a famous Cosmetic Institute. What would you do a program on? [Rupert]
Well, it might be a [New boy in South well], but it’s digital dentures. So we can do workflows, analog, analog and digital hybrid, digital, compare and contrast and see what works for you guys. [Jaz]
Mehy, what’s the vibe like him? [Mehy]
Amazing. Amazing like a bit dead but. [Jaz]
He’s alive. He’s actually alive. Ricky, how’s it feel? [Ricky]
I made it man. I made it. [Jaz]
This idiot had me worried sick. And he missed Pascal Magne’s first couple hours. You know some guy he idolizes. This is just you know, you need a slap. [Ricky]
You can do it, man. [Jaz]
I’m gonna delegate your mom’s slap for you. [Ricky]
I slap myself for that one. [Jaz]
I’m looking forward for the rest of day, man. I made notes for you. Which I’m gonna share with you guys as well. [Ricky] Thank you very much [Jaz] But this is gonna be epic. [Ricky]
I’m going to start making some notes now as well. Okay, number one, make sure you wake up in time and go to Jaz’s house for 3am. And don’t miss the next flight. [Jaz]
And don’t have to upgrade to business class on your next flight. [Ricky]
Dude you know what they gave for business class? A ham and cheese croissant. And the tomato was so hard. [Jaz]
You don’t get anything in economy. So there we are. Ricky, I can’t believe you’re actually alive. So here we are. In a hotel nearby, which was a, we didn’t book this one because of the cheapest, we didn’t do that. We certainly wouldn’t would never do that. We booked it because it’s very close by. It happened to be close by not because the cheap, convenient let say. Where the hell were you, man? [Ricky]
Let’s just say my stag is coming up soon. And I just wanted to give you a taste of what it’s going to be like. [Jaz]
Man, I was worried sick this morning. Anyway, I’m so glad you’re alive. And you came you only missed the first two hours of Pascal Magne, which was, how good was Pascal Magne? [Ricky]
Oh, man, dude, this guy was absolutely phenomenal. Nothing short of excellent. I’ve read his book. The 2002 bonding porcelain restorations, you know that book I read that about four years ago. And I was just like this guy. Just amazing. He knows what he’s talking about. So I was really excited to see him today until I missed my damn flight. [Jaz]
We caught the most of it. I’m just going to summarize a little bit about what he said in the first couple of hours when you weren’t there, actually. So basically, he showed this case and he apparently published about this in 2014. So I must have missed it. But he share this case whereby there’s a 14, not 14, there was like a teenage girl and her wisdom tooth was decoronated or coronectomy was taking place. And that crown, the wisdom tooth was milled to then provide her mother’s onlay. So this was, the material of the only was enamel and dentine bonded to enamel and dentine. Had you seen that case before? [Ricky]
What the? I’ve never heard of that. [Jaz]
So he showed that today. [Ricky]
Wait, so from one patient to another patient? [Jaz]
Yes. So this was from the daughter who need the wisdom tooth out anyway. And then he actually embedded it into the milling machine, [Ricky] and then actually milled the actual crown [Jaz] And then milled, the enamel shape was the same but inside of it was [Ricky] It’s like internal surface for the prep [Jaz] For the prep. So that was pretty cool. So you missed that. I wanted you to take that. Then he talked about the usual Pascal things I talked about. The ferrule, right? The importance of ferrule, and he’s very anti post. And all the studies show that you know, we all know already, everyone who listens podcast we know that already. Posts do not strengthen the teeth. Okay? The only function of a post is to retain a crown. That’s it. And what he was showing all the data that he has, and all these studies are out there already is that even those cases where you don’t use a post and you allow your composite core go into the canal and come out and essentially you got your block of composite as opposed, that was there was no difference in the failure rate compared to putting a post in so essentially don’t put a post but ferrule is king. Okay? Ferrule is King and I don’t think that was anything crazy they put there just promising data about the everX composite you know the composite with the fiber. Any experience with that? [Ricky]
Yeah, I actually use everX flow dentine quite a lot for most of my posterior work and I really like the composite. I don’t really tend to use bulk fill too much, unless it’s for a core and I’m trying to build the tooth up quite quickly or if I’m you know, mid prep and I need to take an old restoration out but I think it’s a really good, really good material, you’re getting the reinforcement of the you know, the short fiber reinforced composites so yeah, I really like that, [Jaz]
Definitely watch that space is more data emerges, but it definitely is a promising material. Now one thing that I think you’ll really love is we know that Pascal is a huge fan, not because he’s endorsed by them but because he’s done the research and he knows that the fourth generation bonding system OptiBond FL® is the best is like the you know, the highest gold standard, highest bond strengths, the higher filling particle in the natural bond part of it is the DC part of it is pretty cool. It’s good handling and whatnot. But here’s interesting things which Pascal taught me today which you missed, which I’m gonna fill you in. There’s like their fill Ricky in before we discuss a bit about when Ricky was there as well. The interesting thing is that he actually says don’t use a bottle bond system any so he likened it to like my son, Ishaan, when he was teething he had something called Sophie the giraffe. Have you ever seen these? [Ricky] No [Jaz] So Sophie the giraffe is like this famous French toy, which a baby sort of bite on the face for teething and stuff. And what they did one day is that they cut open a Sophie the giraffe, and you don’t want to see what was inside it, was just like gunk and bacteria. [Ricky] It’s all black? [Jaz] Probably, right? He didn’t show the visuals, but I can imagine it, right? It’s always in a kid’s mouth and all the leakage and whatnot. So essentially what you’re saying is that if you’re using these bond bottle for months and months and months and it’s open and stuff and you know the bacteria in the environment, viruses etc. It’s probably a contaminated surface also the filler particles probably sink to the bottom so he was not only recommending OptiBond FL® but he was had he had a big cross next with OptiBond FL®, the bottles is he’s actually saying Let’s use the uni dose system so that you’ve got the right amount of primer, right amount of a bond and they’re fresh and it’s like easy to shake and stuff [Ricky]
Similar to when you’re using silane coupling agent [Jaz]
Did he touched on that later for the listeners. [Ricky]
we were talking about [Jaz]
how that applies to silanation [Ricky]
Yes, so you know that it was actually in his first book. He discussed it then as well ideally not using one bottle because you know everything is going to get a stink to the end of that bottle [Jaz]
Just for any new listeners, any young, I got some students now listening. What is silane?When would you use a silane typically? [Ricky]
Silane is where you’d want to be bonding on porcelain restorations. It just comes down to, if your porcelain contains silica Long story short, you want to basically be able to bond to those silica particles and that’s what the silane agent actually does for you. And then you’ve got your adhesive which bonds to your silane [Jaz]
Silanated porcelain surface highly active surface. Brilliant. And so you don’t use the one bottle? [Ricky]
Yeah, don’t use the one bottle. It may be cheaper but is it cheaper actually? [Jaz]
Imagine it would be because two bottle system I imagine there’s gonna be a costing also the date, the expiry date. Yeah, so that’s a inconvenience factor that they run out of date sometimes but the yeah so by using two bottles is a fresh silane, is that the main point, right? [Ricky]
Yes, so it’s all fresh. So same thing applying to the bond, bonding agents. Oh there’s Nickhil now. [Jaz]
We’ve got Nikhil now as well. One of the beloved Protruserati. Nikhil come here, man. Show your pretty face. Come here. [Ricky]
Show that bow tie. [Nikhil]
It’s better not be live [Jaz]
This is not live. So we were just recapping about the what I talked about how he loves the OptiBond FL® unidose and that was a pretty cool thing to learn. Yeah, and Ricky just added that you know, even when we’re using silane not to use one bottle, use two bottles. You were there for that bit right? Okay, fine. What was your like, what is that one thing that you learned today that you think wow, that was worth it might you know worth him coming, for me see him that this is the best tip. [Nikhil]
He had many tips but I think the best thing about today was the inspiration you get from such eminent speaker, seeing his cases and aspiring to be like that is what you always you know, hope to see at conferences like this and this is probably one of the best I’ve been to for a long time. [Jaz]
What about you? The best thing that you because you’re here You know, I told Ricky let’s do this. And Ricky buddy went and got his iPad. And he was making notes the whole time. So it just made me good, buddy. [Ricky]
I mean, it depends if I can make sense of my own right? [Jaz]
I know but anyway give your best tip before I talk about one more thing. [Ricky]
I think I’m touching on what Nikhil said, I mean, very inspirational speaker, amazing to hear, like in the flesh. So many clinical tips, I think one of the things that really struck out to me was the use of ptfe, and the lack of sectional matrices when trying to close diastemas or black triangles. So he was saying that he likes to get ptfe and basically put it against the adjacent tooth and then actually make your composite against this. So I found that was quite interesting, because, you know, we’re kind of ingrained in our minds to always use whether it’s a clear strip, whether it’s, you know, I’ve used the Tor VM, anterior matrices. So I think that was [Jaz]
It’s actually on that point, it’s actually a Tor VM is that the posterior matrix used vertically for that scenario same with SB 100 from the Garrison to, I find that good because it gives you so much control to get a nice neat finish but what Pascal was arguing is that when you use a curved matrix in an interproximal area, you get a point contact whereas he wants flat to flat broad but just seeing even the images, like it looks messy, like imagine you got ptfe on the tooth next, and you’re just pressing that composite up against the ptfe. For me, it just my OCD goes out of control, it is very messy, but this is the technique that you use. So before you tell everyone how you get around that and some tips on you doing it the Pascal way let’s call it, it’s called the Pascal and Ricky way. What do you at the moment manage it? [Nikhil]
It depends on the situation if I’m placing a diastema then that way I find easiest [Jaz]
Like the Pascal, Ricky way with the ptfe? [Nikhil]
If it’s a class 4, I either use a strip or matrix depending on the shape I want to get. [Jaz]
I quite like the mylar pull when you got some, mylar pull’s good, but you know when you have got the ptfe, how you managing it not being so messy and like the floss tearing afterwards and just just being a total mess? [Ricky]
Well, I think first of all, having good quality of ptfe because you don’t definitely don’t want to be using like the cheap stuff that you can get out there. I’ll be honest, I don’t actually know where we order it from. Shout out to our head nurse who’s the one who normally orders everything. She gets some good quality stuff. But yeah, the PTFE quality, you want something that’s quite thick, you want to hold it taut against the tooth next door, you will actually floss the PTFE down. So it’s going into the gingival crevice of that adjacent tooth as well [Jaz]
Do you find when you floss that PTFE sometimes just crumples up? [Ricky]
So it depends on the floss you’re using. So I use floss tape. And when I’m actually flossing, I’m making sure I’m holding it really tall and holding it. So it’s like, it’s almost like a mini like mylar strip. That makes sense? So you’re kind of like really pushing it down. But I use this technique quite a lot when we’re doing injection molding cases as well, when you’re trying to like really isolate that gingival crevice region. And then to try and keep it less messy. The Applica Twist is an instrument from LM-Arte™ kit. So actually not, It’s not LM-Arte™ kit. [Jaz] Haven’t heard about it. [Ricky] It’s a style italiana so you got the LM-Arte™ kit, which has the five standard instruments, but they bought out like new instruments. So it’s a very thin flat plastic basically. It’s like the IPCL. So you can use that to basically really sculpt your composite. And then I like to finish it off by just taking that floss once I’ve put the composite on. [Jaz]
Once it’s cured? [Ricky]
No, no before [Jaz]
Oh, okay, so uncured composite here. And you’re flossing. Yeah, it just sounds like so much mess and oozing. And [Ricky]
I think one of the things that really stuck out to me today from the course was that it’s not necessarily what some one person does, it’s what works in your hands. Because Pascal showed us so many different techniques of how he restores using composite, the direct way, the indirect, semi indirect. And, you know, I think we, at some point during the conference, I think returned to both of you and said, You know, I don’t think I couldn’t do something like that. But you know, he shows that beautifully. So this technique is just something that I’ve abused in the past where I struggled with the mylar strip so I actually figured out by accident, but I’ll take give it a shot. Give it a shot. [Nikhil]
I think he said himself, Pascal he said that my job is to give you the armamentarium and then you choose what works for you. [Ricky]
I even wrote that down. “My job is not to tell you what to do, but give you options” [Nikhil]
There we go. [Jaz]
Pascal’s job not telling you what to do but to give you options guys listen, we have to have to the party now that’s why we dressed up with a gala dinner. And thanks for listening to this one. I gave Pascal the invitation as you know, and Pascal gave him Ricky an Indian blessing, which are the whole videos will be on it. So thanks for listening and hopefully Pascal now following on from this come on. And you can blame Ricky for not making a more proactive podcast today because of him missing his flight. Thank you. [Ricky]
It was, in my defense. Many things happen. It was a series of unfortunate events that cascaded sequentially, progressively getting worse [Jaz]
When airplanes fall, it’s never just one thing. It’s like a multiple, it’s not because the pilot was drunk. It’s because the pilot was drunk and the copilot like is not having a great day. And there’s like a scratch on the engine and someone forgot to like twist a knob or something somewhere. And that’s how airplanes fall everyone. So shout out to Nikhil Kanani there was a great to catch up always great. I always see him at conferences. He’s such a great guy, and he was part of that as well. So Nikhil, Ricky thanks so much for making Protrusive what it is with this episode and sharing some of the nuggets and your vibes from Pascal Magne lecture. And it was great to have the party at the National Museum which was absolutely beautiful. What a great venue that was. And then the funny thing is when we got the flight back in the morning. You know Ricky being Ricky completely liking I used to hold him in such high regard. I still do brother, don’t worry, like high regard like what an organized guy, right? But anyway. We get to Heathrow and because he’s parked at short stay carpark, he had a very interesting parking ticket, let’s say, which I may or may not reveal what it is. And then while he was going to drive me home because I live quite close to Heathrow and my parents live quite close to Heathrow Airport. The next curveball was that Ricky had no fuel. So we were on reserved fuel, trying to get to the nearest fuel station, which was again a super stressful experience for me. And I’m still playing little segment from the end of the trip me and Ricky just having like reflections of the day of our interesting and fun day, educational day at the BACD. [Jaz]
All right, we’re back. Back in London, got a flight back now. End of BACD which involves Ricky driving us on reserve fuel to nearest petrol station. [Ricky] This looks so bad. [Jaz] Paying 147 pound parking fee not even a like a fine. This is how much the short stay car parking for two days. If you just look like it was like two days and like five minutes in it. You come 147 pounds on parking, guys. That’s crazy. Anyway, Ricky, i just want to ask your reflection on BACD conference 2021- Seeing is believing. [Ricky]
Seeing literally is believing because the first BACD I went to a whole deck, the organization’s pretty phenomenal, venue was amazing. Obviously Pascal is absolutely brilliant. And then a lot, met a lot of cool people. [Jaz]
And you found out that next year it’s in Wales and a certain Frank freaking Spear. Frank freaking Spear from Arizona will be coming next year. So you better believe I’ll be booking my ticket to see Frank. Probably go to the whole three days. You’ll be there, right? [Ricky]
Yeah, that guy’s amazing. I actually signed up to his online course back in 2006. [Jaz]
I’ve learned so much from Spear Online, really great educational resource. So I’ve got a lot of time for Speae Academy and whatnot. Love to go to Arizona one day, but Arizona is coming to us. So next year, Wales, November BACD. I’m looking forward to it. I’ll see you guys there. Hopefully me and Ricky will not be on the same flight because I can’t deal with like a couple of hours with him and I’m gonna get hardtack so also he was snoring the whole night and he’s got sleep apnea like moderate to severe so I officially did his sleep test before him [Ricky]
I’ve got a mandibular ?? for tonight. [Jaz]
He wasn’t wearing it last night. So peace everyone.
Jaz’ Outro: So there we have it guys I hope you enjoyed this slightly different episode if you enjoyed it let me know. If you don’t like this kind of thing let me know as well. I’ll try and do less of these. Hope some of the lessons we shared Pascal Magne which by the way has been in touch with Pascal he’s keens to come on, but he’s such a busy guy. So we’ll see when that happens, but it’ll be great. Pascal, it will be great to have you. So if you’re one of my listeners in USC, University of Southern California and you see Pascal all the time, just give them a little you know, elbow in the ribbon say yeah, when are you going to go on the Protrusive Dental Podcast, okay? Just get him to warm up a little bit. Okay, so I appreciate you guys so much for listening to this 100th episode. I look forward to so many more. The Christmas break is coming up now. I’m still going to be getting a few more episodes but the big thing, the big thing I’m focusing on now is the app like the app is coming. And this is so that all the listeners who want to can get CPD ie CE verified certificate, you can answer some multiple choice questions, give some feedback. And that way you can get a verified certificate, you can get a few other extra perks. And it’s a bit like a membership. It’s a bit like a membership thing. But for those people who listen to Protrusive all time, I think you’ll gain so much value for it. So that’s the main thing I’m working on, as well as the 21 day photography challenge, which I’ve told you about as well. So lots of big things coming at the moment. I’ll keep you posted. But thanks again for listening all the way to the end. I always really appreciate it. Thank you so much. And if this is the last time you listen to protrusive this year, I hope you have a very happy Christmas. I wish you and your family all the best of health and a very happy 2022.